Who will win the 2024 Tour de France General Classification (Yellow Jersey)?
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Jul 22
55%
Tadej Pogacar
33%
Jonas Vingegaard
4%
Remco Evenepoel
2%
Primoz Roglic
1%
Juan Ayuso

The list of recent winners:

2023: Jonas Vingegaard
2022: Jonas Vingegaard
2021: Tadej Pogacar
2020: Tadej Pogacar
2019: Egan Bernal
2018: Geraint Thomas

I will add more information to this later when we know more about the race. There is definitely enough known about the potential competitors to start a market now, though.

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sold แน€57 Primoz Roglic YES

Vingegaard and Pogacar are on ๐Ÿ”ฅ

I have No shares on both.

We both know that it'll be Egan Bernal ๐Ÿฅณ , so that's probably a valid strategy

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Just created a few dashboards for the Tour de France to organize the chaos a little bit: https://manifold.markets/news/tour-de-france-2024-1wmakfef

And one which contains some links and informations for everyone who is new to the sport:

https://manifold.markets/news/tour-de-france-for-newbies

You can esily save them by clicking on the bookmark symbol in the right corner. If I should add new/other markets feel free to tag or dm me.

wow! nice work! thanks!

we are still missing markets for individual stages, those are always fun to predict, but I'm very low on mana and fear that I won't recover it if I make markets. Unless someone else wants to do basic markets, I might create mini markets for stages, at least the interesting ones, like top mountain finishes, ITT and sprint stages

If no one else makes them, I will probably make some about who will have the yellow jersey at X points within the race. I find that very interesting.

I think @ovals has been making those, and there are markets for the first 4 stages, and the last stage. The last stage one is the same as who wins the tour, but I still find it interesting and worth having because their markets close 2 hours after the stage starts, so there is less live betting, and with final stage being ITT it is pretty exciting.

I think mini markets are totally fine. Would be great to have stage markets, I just don't want to create those (and resolve ๐Ÿ™ƒ).

bought แน€50 Sepp Kuss NO

Sepp is out with Covid.

Should very minorly update even further against Jonas.

bought แน€7 Matteo Jorgenson YES

that's a big blow for Visma. Jorgenson better be at the form of his life...

Jonas Vingegaard
opened a แน€1,000 Jonas Vingegaard NO at 34% order

Real money sports betting markets have Jonas at an implied probability of ~36%. I've placed a 1000 mana No limit order with a 24 hour expiration window for Jonas at 35%.

bought แน€150 Jonas Vingegaard YES

Ah, interesting. I'm happy to nudge the price closer to the sports betting odds. I'm actually kind of sad for the odds here not to be matching those. Maybe the liquidity here is too low for people to bother keeping the prices accurate?

I think people buying Yes on Jonas are nuts and the sportsbooks are just making tons and tons of money offering him at 36% ๐Ÿ˜‚ (half joking)

We have actually had Pogacar and Roglic both very very close to real money odds for a long time, we seem to specifically disagree on Jonas and then we're giving a lot of his odds to the long tail of other guys.

nobody (except for himself and the Visma people that can see his power output) knows his form. I feel like a lot of us here are judging that his form cannot be as good as the last two years because we have seen guys coming back from similar injuries and not being 100% for a while. The first week will say a lot. I think that UAE will attack from stage 1 to see his form, then we can adjust. If he doesn't lose too much time in the first week, he will have time to be very good the last week, and a final ITT will benefit him.

@drevv I don't think we should necessarily be matching sports betting odds, not all people there know a lot about cycling (I'm assuming cycling people don't bet that much). I wouldn't be surprised if some people just bet on Jonas because he won the last two Tours or because they saw TdF Unchained this week, without even knowing that he is recovering from injury. The procyclingstats game should be a more interesting comparison, I think they close the game for GC in a week.

Fair, but lemme rephrase: either we should be matching the sports betting odds or we should be raking in the free money from the sports betting sites!

I don't think cycling betting odds are a good reference because they have a huge margin in the payout. For example, the odds for Jonas are 11/4 on average (resulting in a 36% probability), but all options add up to 200%, there is a significant spread. (I've discussed this a few month ago with Yuna below.) I'm pretty sure the betting sites know that Jonas crashed since most of them offered odds for the tour without him for a long time. I don't know exactly how these work, but I don't think sports betting sites provide good forecasting for cycling. They're just a rip-off due to their spread.

However, I still think Manifold has a fan-based view on Pogacar and is underestimating Vingegaard, but I'm not buying any more shares since I'm already quite leveraged in this market.

I personally believe that VLaB wouldn't send Vingegaard to the tour if they didn't believe he could win it. He has had a lot of time to recover from the crash. And Pogi peaked in the Giro, and it's quite hard to maintain his form until the end of the tour. Unless Vingegaard loses 10 minutes in the first week, I'm pretty bullish on him.

Vingegaard doesn't have the same fanbase, so Pogacar will always be a little bit overrated, especially with the influence of many US bettors.

Egan Bernal
bought แน€2 Egan Bernal YES

What are the chances the entire UAE bus gets lost and all the riders are disqualified and also the entire Visma bus gets lost and all the riders are disqualified? NEVER SAY NEVER.

WHAT IF EGAN ๐Ÿ’› ๐Ÿ’™ โค IS JUST BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE !!!

After today's Dauphine stage awarded two riders with the combativity prize, I thought of this new market. Maybe they'll do it! It feels like such an obviously good idea to at least have the option....

/Eliza/will-the-2024-tour-de-france-award

Jonas Vingegaard
bought แน€200 Jonas Vingegaard NO

https://wielerrevue.nl/artikel/608111/merijn-zeeman-over-tour-deelname-jonas-vingegaard-ik-denk-dat-die-knoop-niet-eerder-dan-een-week-voor-de-tourstart-kan-worden-doorgehakt

VISMA MEDIA SPIN

One part says he won't decide if he's going until the week before.

๐Ÿค”

I think he's going to start.

Checkt aschuboughtแน€400Jonas Vingegaard YES
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Jonas Vingegaard is now apparently the favorite again, passing Tadej Pogacar

bought แน€50 Tadej Pogacar YES

@Eliza Pump your brakes, Tadej is my favorite and I am making the odds this morning!

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