Luigi Mangione was reportedly taken in by authorities on 12/9/24. He was at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania. https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-in-fatal-shooting-of-unitedhealthcare-boss-brian-thompson-idd-as-luigi-mangione-an-ex-ivy-league-student/
I will not vote in this market.
Possible clarification from creator (AI generated): This market will resolve based on whether Luigi Mangione is convicted of shooting Brian Thompson, with all appeals exhausted.
Update 2024-14-12 (PST): Market will resolve as No if the conviction status is not determined by the market end date. (AI summary of creator comment)
Update 2024-15-12 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): - Market will resolve based on whether Luigi Mangione is convicted of shooting Brian Thompson by the market end date of 12/31/25
If Mangione dies before the market end date without being convicted, market will resolve as No
If conviction status is not determined by market end date, market will resolve as No
Update 2024-16-12 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): Market will resolve as:
Yes if Mangione is convicted of murder
Yes if Mangione pleads guilty
No if Mangione is acquitted
No if Mangione is not convicted
No if Mangione is never charged
No if Mangione dies before a conviction
https://manifold.markets/Bayesian/will-luigi-mangione-be-convicted-of i'm out of liquidity to do more arbitrage but these markets are out of sync
@Jx Just to clarify, is the automated summary correct that this market will resolve NO if Luigi hasn't been convicted with all appeals exhausted as of the end date, even if his guilt seems almost certain to most observers? That is what it seems like you agreed to below, but it seems odd.
@MugaSofer Sorry for not being clear on this market from the beginning. That had been my plan, especially after considering the comment from @placebo_username. But your comment and one from @MaximLott make me think it might be best to alter the resolution criteria. We don't know exactly how long conviction and exhausting appeals could take. I just worry about the possibility of making a point-in-time judgment based on existing information that proves to be incorrect later. I don't want to surprise or disappoint people who put in trades earlier. What do you all think would be a fair approach for resolving?
A @Bayesian market on this subject (located here) has the following criteria, among others:
- yes if Mangione is convicted of murder
- yes if Mangione pleads guilty
- no if Mangione is acquitted
- no if Mangione is not convicted
- no if Mangione never charged
- no if Mangione dies before a conviction
I do like these as a starting point. What if this market were to adopt them as well? And perhaps we could leave out any discussion of appeals for resolution....
@Jx I'd suggest resolving to PROB if he dies, to better match the title, but those otherwise seem fair to me.
@Jx can you extend the resolution date, several years? It was nowhere in the market description itself.
Or update the market to put the end date in the title?
@Jx Putting the end date in the title makes sense but I am against the changes to the resolution criteria. At the time my NO trades were made the description had already been updated to explicitly say it would resolve NO if his trial was still ongoing at the market end date.
And that was a material factor in me buying NO. I would not have bough NO at those prices if I though it wouldn't pay out in cases where he is convicted post 12/31/25
@Anthem good question. Inclined to resolve no because it will not have happened by the end date. Thoughts?
@Jx I don’t even see an end date on the market.
Should at most resolve NA, definitely not no!
I would resolve it yes bc the market doesn’t specify. So if you think he did it based on the evidence we have, then yes.
@MaximLott In fact there has been a resolution date of 12/31/25 since the start of this market. I'm not inclined to go with N/A based on the well expressed issues with that outcome here: https://manifold.markets/dreev/how-bad-is-it-to-resolve-a-market-a?play=true Resolving to true doesn't quite feel right because that's not what the market is about. The market is about whether Mangione is the person who shot Thompson. So yeah, if he dies before the market end date and he has not been convicted, then the market would resolve as no.
@Jx The market title is not "will he be convicted", it's "did he do it." So if we're going by the title, I actually think the most consistent way to resolve would be based on your personal beliefs rather than the legal system. You resolve YES iff you are personally convinced he did it on 12/31/2025. (Now that loans are back, waiting to resolve is not a big deal).
@vi yeah but at that point you can't really exist in reality. Every news story could be fake. Luigi might not even exist. I'm just an OpenAI wrapper the NSA made to give free thinkers like yourself schizophrenia