Google Maps Mega Market - all feature ideas, destroy the monopoly pl SEC, by end 2024
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A: Will they add store age? They've been around long enough to know this for most places
34%
B: Will they add noise level info for restaurants/ cafes?
48%
C: When I get to a place in downtown SF and am obviously looking for parking will the experience get better than showing me the useless "arrived" screen? On android
50%
D: Will the arrived screen be updated? See current version below
30%
F: Will the insane "it's 830 in downtown SF and I just searched for 'dessert"' after driving to a new restaurant far away from home for dinner, and you show me closed places by default" behavior get fixed? It should realize I am on a date.
34%
G: I know I've been to a certain town with Google timeline turned on. Will I be able to figure out where I went and when it was?
16%
H: Dynamic driving - I want to be able to say I want gas generically and then be directed and rerouted to the best one, adjusting for missed turns, rather than forcing me to turn back repeatedly
16%
I: scenery - I want to be able to weigh routes by some useful metric like scenery, architecture, driving comfort, etc
35%
J: we know whether gmaps shares traffic data with local authorities for the purpose of improving traffic safety in the US
8%
K: maps is broken out from core google/alphabet into its own company, or is broken up even further
25%
L: will they add on ai generated estimated nutritional values of dishes? Even with major caveats
15%
M: Will it be revealed that the IRS or US state agency broadly receives Google maps info on Android user locations, for the purpose of tax assessment, without a warrant?
34%
N: will Google know something about me and apply that to my search results for locations? For example filtering out loud or dirty places?
10%
O: will Google maps allow me to search or route myself to avoid extremely dirty places or places with homeless or crazy people? Even with extreme effort if it's possible at all.
42%
P: will evidence emerge that google manipulates routes to avoid or favor some areas based on requests from a community
9%
Q: google allows or enforces race or sex or gender based searching, for example allowing a business to exclude itself from searches from a specific group
11%
R: will Google generally stop updating street view in major areas of the US, voluntarily?
10%
S: will Google add any new paid user-level features? For example money gated functions etc. Afaik none exist now
41%
T: will the US white house have more than four visible reviews? It seems strangely limited.
76%
U: they continue to display race, sex, and gender affiliation of points on the map

I'll remake this at EOY for the next year etc

Submitting answers:

  • Think of clear map related problems you have which could conceivably be solved by Google maps.

  • I will ruthlessly edit or delete ones I don't like, sorry

  • But if you do make a good one you can get a lot of trader mana

General:

  • I use android and PC Firefox/chrome so most questions refer to that setup.

  • I'm in the US; most of the requests relate to the US. I'll mostly test in CA but if a feature only exists in say, FL it would count. But a feature only available in a single non-US country is hard to treat as YES. This is debatable, though, for example if the country is the UK.

  • On release levels: features behind rare abtest memberships don't trigger YES; but ones behind regional reqs can. For example, a single state or a large city within a state can still YES since at least the feature exists somewhere.

  • On feasibility: generally when asking for a feature it needs to be first party, that is, provides out of the box to Google maps users, maybe behind some config or auth or scare warnings, but still available. So extensions and other methods of achieving the goal wouldn't count.

  • Most claims can resolve immediately if they become true. There may be a delay while we verify; I accept user supplies devidence and don't need to experience it all myself

  • On temporary releases: as long as a feature is broadly release in some region for at least a day, it counts even if it's withdrawn later. Generally I will resolve things quickly and I don't want to have a waiting period.

Here is how the map looks at market creation (the new PC color scheme):

Clarifications:

C: it just seems like when I navigated to location X, mentioned in my calendar as having an event starting at 8pm, it's 750pm now, I got here then drove around the block wandering randomly for ten minutes, google might be able to figure out and suggest "hey want me to find parking?" this would dynamically or even use the current system to help me find a place to park.

F: It's so crazy how Google's model of me is that at 830pm, while walking around a trendy district, the reason I searched "dessert" is that I'm planning a return visit to buy a cake at some later time, rather than that I'm trying to get dessert right now with my date. Fixes can be via better variable defaults, or just by making it much more obvious that what they're showing includes non open places (via icons or other ways to more clearly indicate that the results may include non-open places.) I know they should this via the additional tag you can click saying "open now" but that's not enough.

G: I don't want to page through multiple years of travel histories day by day to find it. This is basically about crossing timeline data with my current viewport.

H: Say you are driving cross country, want gas and pick a place at the next exit. Then you drive towards it but miss the exit cause a truck is in the way. The next exit is 3 miles down the road. Now, Google will direct you on a gigantic turn around loop to get to that exact gas station, literally driving by other, probably open gas stations, at the next exit. What I want is it to realize "hey this guy wants gasoline as a general concept, and isn't picky about where", NOT "this guy needs to go to a specific exxon station in a state he's never been to before, and I'll force him to that station only" Maps doesn't have to always do this but it at least must be possible/used sometimes.

J: I just want to know if they do this. If we know the answer, for any US jurisdiction, then YES.

M: Lots of people claim that "non-busy" but surviving businesses are actually tax writeoffs or even money laundering. i.e. you take your illegal cash money, book it as fake "orders" at your nail salon which never has actual customers, pay taxes on it, take the profits, and now it's clean money. The problem is that there are SO many seemingly completely non-busy stores around, which never seem to go away. My theory is that they're just proprietor owned places which pay little tax and are labors of love, and/or are not able to actually capture the gains from selling since they're grandfathered into a prior regime; selling would suddenly drop them into a completely new tax/zoning/etc system which they aren't prepared for. So, they just sit there, endlessly. From the state's POV, to address at least the money laundering theory, I would just compel google to silently pass me customer foot traffic data (with/without accompanying salary estimates from purchase history, tax returns from gmail, etc etc.) and then cross that with how long they spend in the store. If the totals don't add up, you deploy agents to surveil the place yourself to parallel construct a supposedly legit grassroots case against them, and sue them out of business. This market is about whether this info sharing compulsion is happening, either at the IRS level or within an agency of one of the 50 states.

Q: Various google blog articles suggest that is good to prefer certain business types to others based on the race of their proprietor. This already seems illegal under US law; google doesn't allow users to set these preferences to have inherent race/other group type preferences, which would be even more likely to be directly illegal under US law. Still, it's interesting how there is this contradiction between claims that using these kind of features is ethical, with their inactivity in actually making it real. Needless to say, this feature would also allow many types of horrible racist behavior to become standardized. For example, racist white people would be supported in excluding stores of other races in their search results - which would be very unamerican and pretty awful.

T: The white house says it has (4) reviews but I only see 3. Either way, it's weird.

U: I'm referring to the self-identification system for various ethnic/race/gender/sex groups in the USA such as "Black-owned businesses" etc.

W: this is more obscure. But for me, I want to learn more about the places I live and things I may have overlooked. So even when I'm driving w/out directions in a familiar location, or on a long trip involving say 200 miles on the same road, I'd like to leave the map open targeting "parks" so that it would constantly point me to the nearest park. That way if one showed up very near, like <4 min or a few miles, I might divert over that way to check it out. This is MUCH better than continuously repeating the search for 3 hours and then only choosing to go somewhere when the distance to a park was near. This is actually perfect since it's equivalent to setting a location-based alert like "alert me when I'm near a park (near=driving distance-wise)".

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I want this so bad. If you think about it, on long trips it's almost guaranteed you're passing very near by places you'd find very interesting, which you don't have a way to find out about now. Google could do that for me

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G: I know I've been to a certain town with Google timeline turned on. Will I be able to figure out where I went and when it was?

isn't this already the case?

*scratch that I just saw the note in the description

@shankypanky yeah. it tracks the info in timeline, but it's insanely hard to get it integrated. I want to just be on the map screen and be able to ask LLM style "hey, look at my history, tell me everything that I've done in this town, like when I visited, where I stayed and ate, any reviews, and if you can see into my gphotos, also point me any photos I took within or near the current location in the map view."

@Ernie yeah that makes more sense - I didn't get from the response that you want to be in that town and say "hey, I've been here before, remind me what I did so I can avoid/repeat that place/activity" which I would imagine wouldn't be too hard?

@shankypanky They have heatmaps available which are basically every place you've ever been. But as you travel or move the map view around, there's no way to cut into history based on that selection, even though database-wise it's really easy, and other GPS based location services (private and OSMand and OpenStreetMap) offer this.

I have the new visual style on Android. It seems extremely likely that it's in a staged rollout and you'll get it shortly, if you haven't already.

C: When I get to a place in downtown SF and am obviously looking for parking will the experience get better than showing me the useless "arrived" screen? On android

curious what qualifies as "obviously looking for parking" from the app's perspective. what will make it obvious for Maps?

@shankypanky yeah it's not super obvious but I think the combination gcal access plus my live gps plus my lifetime location history should help. It can tell I'm driving, getting close, and also then driving in circles. It's true I may be looking for a friend or similar ... But the risk of offering "look for parking nearby?" as a choice is low, and it's right so often.

@Ernie I keep thinking of this market every time I drive somewhere in the inner city ๐Ÿ˜…

@shankypanky yeah. it's so strange they don't fix this.

like, when you search, you still cannot even distinguish between "I'm searching for 'gasoline' in general VS "I'm searching for a bar called 'gasoline alley'". It seems random to me. Is this not a concept that exists internally to their search systems? I'd think that at a deep level when classifying map queries, they'd distinguish "user knows the name of the place" vs "user is trying to get to a specific type of thing but doesn't know where to go"

Not a joke, I literally sometimes am pulling directions and when it asks me to fill in the 2nd place, for some reason, "home" doesn't appear, so I start typing "hom..." and it fills in restaurants called things like 'home rice restaurant'. Like, wow, this is the type of bug you solve IN THE FIRST WEEK of the product, not 20+ years in.

the home one is so strange, particularly when searching on the mobile app (somehow I give a little more space for a quirk like this on the desktop site because maybe I'm planning ahead?)

even if the app doesn't automatically give me car parks when I'm near my destination one would think there would be an easy (one-click) option to have the garages/lots visible while navigating as they do have their own icon.

which brings me to another, icon-related irritation which is the fact that places on the map are visible under odd conditions - for example I'll see a bunch of orange icons, start to zoom in and some disappear, then they reappear at different degrees of zooming in/out. (doesn't only happen with orange/eateries but that's the most prominent example)

@shankypanky Yeah. I think that's their attempt at monetization. Probably a collaboration between an advertising VP and a technical maps VP; the ads guy bullies the tech maps true believer into doing it, cooperation isn't good, and the feature shows up totally out of place and uncomfortable.

From what I've read they make nearly nothing from maps (although having the data internally may be worth billions in other areas). So apparently there's pressure to have it pay for itself slightly more.

One does wonder how it is that things like street view have not improved in approx 10 years. There's no smooth way to move around it, no video, it's still super awkward to jump, constantly getting trapped, scroll wheels on PC don't work right, etc. etc.

@Ernie I don't even bother tbh. I wonder if they decided to save themselves the trouble and hope that people will share meaningful/useful images from the street to counter this.

though then it seems a bit silly that they send people to drive those little cars around collecting the data.

I saw in a recent fun facts market that there are at least a couple of countries (Japan, Switzerland?) that require the street view camera to be placed lower for privacy concerns related to seeing over fences etc.

U: they continue to display race, sex, and gender affiliation of points on the map

can someone explain this one pls? I don't understand.

@shankypanky there is mention of various safe spaces, woman/(race)/LGBT ownership.

@Ernie afaik they haven't allowed people to configure their preferred racial discrimination rules permanently, but this article on the Google blog suggests this is an encouraged behavior

https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/small-business/black-owned-friday-2023/

@Ernie ah got it - so this point is that they'll continue/not remove this feature?

@shankypanky yes. Seems unlikely to happen though

@Ernie unlikely to continue? meaning you feel for some reason that they'll remove this?

@shankypanky oh no, I think they'll continue doing it. It just seems really strange that racializing business ownership is done by Google. It seems like an enabler of discrimination.

B: Will they add noise level info for restaurants/ cafes?

back in the US after many years away and this is my one true wish. this is such a loud culture and I wish I could have some indication ahead of time about what I may expect of noise levels.

Not just once have I found an entry I wanted to add already had been done by Google maps. For example the automatic menus with photos system is basically perfect. Why ever use a restaurant provided menu again, excluding for checking prices?

Okay wow so I use Google maps a lot but I had no idea how many features it has. There is so much UGC creation and tracking functionality inside, for uploading price lists, changes, etc. They have been busy!

I like this a lot!